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Unemployed & Overqualified for Mickey Ds

Sat Aug 6, 2011 11:30 PM EDT
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Unless you’ve been through it, I don’t know that most of of us can grasp the frustration of sitting in an interview and hearing the question “With your background, do you think this is really the job for you?”  Why in hell do you think you're there interviewing?  Could it be because you need to pay your bills or maybe it’s because you like having a roof over your family’s head?

You know what they’re thinking because once upon a time, you were in their seat.  But today is different from any other span in your lifetime. You know they think you will quit as soon as you find something better.  You know that they don’t understand that you have been unemployed for months and if an employer takes a chance on you, you will be forever loyal.  But, when you tell them that in the interview they just nod their heads. 

They say, “Thank you for the interview; we have a few more candidates to interview and we’ll get back with you."  A couple of days later,you get a letter in the mail notifying you that another candidate was hired. 

Imagine having worked since you were 14 years-old. You graduated from high school, joined the military and got out to return to school.  You worked your way through college with the help of the GI Bill.  You graduated and went to work for a good company, got married and had two children.  Just to think, a few months ago your life was near perfect--things were going really well. You loved your job and the people you worked with.  And then it began; what you had been reading and hearing about in the news for months came to your doorstep, knocked and walked right in.  Many of your co-workers left before you—you were one of the last to be laid off becauseyou were such a good worker.  You didn't leave because you were a loyal employee and truly believed your company would recover.  Not only that, your co-workers who were already in the job hunt were finding nothing. Your day finally came. You remember asking, “God, what am I going to do?”  Although scared, you still believed you would find another job.  Why wouldn’t you? You wanted to work and you are qualified. 

Many of your co-workers were still struggling to find a job.  They’re unemployment was running out.  These were good workers and proud people.  Some of them spent half their savings before they went down and applied for unemployment benefits. They couldn’t find work and finally had to go through a process they loathed.

And, now here you are looking at the guy who got the job.   He’s obviously fresh out of high school, but he beat you out.

How do you look your family in the face?  It doesn’t matter that you know that they are there for you—they love you; You're not working. Oh yea, you're hustling trying to do small jobs to help ends meet, but the ends are not touching.  How do you keep looking in the mirror?  Every interview, every turndown letter, everyday you lose a piece of the you that you once were. You're one of the folks that people are angry about because you're getting those entitlement payouts—no matter that you really want to work and no one will give you a job, no matter that you paid into the system for years and never used a dime.   

“God, what am I going to do?”

With our unemployment rate is over 9 percent, this is the story of so many Americans. 

We must figure out a way to get our citizens back to work.  The debt ceiling, spending cuts, credit downgrades, China's commentary and all the other things going on in this country must take a backseat to job creation.  If we get the jobs back, we can get our country back on track.  Until we get the jobs, people will remain in a tizzy--even if people are working, someone in their family is unemployed.  And, that resonates. Some things must dealt with immediately, but some of the distractions have been man-made.  We cannot afford for the distractions to continue.  Focus: Job Creation. 

 

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Fufu

I absolutely do understand how you feel. I've applied for positions for which I am underqualified, overqualified, and exactly qualified for. Not one came sniffing for months. Then I took a position for which I was overqualified and had no interest in, just to pay bills. After 9 months, they didn't want to have to pay any benefits, so they laid me off. Process repeated and now I'm in another position for which I am overqualified and make even less money.

Unemployment and underemployment both are not only a financial strain, they are an emotional strain.

  • 11 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 12:17 AM EDT
Jason Burnham

What do you do and where do you live?

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 2:02 AM EDT
Radio Free America

Fufu

I also feel your pain. It goes back to where America fled to the cites to work for and make others rich. The job situation has change and most of those that are laid off worked for a company for many years and are not aware of the new under the radar rules of seeking and finding employment. Many did not even have to summit a resume. It was a time of job application only and then move up in the company. Yes there are other factors such as location, the field you are seeking work (most jobs now days are for engineers)... I have talked to many of these people and let them know the rules have changed.

Rules:

1. Follow up, follow up. Do not wait for them to get back to you. Send a thank you letter to each individual in the interview. Get their business cards. Gear each thank you letter to the recipient. Do not send a generic letter, the same letter to each individual.

2. Temporary work and know the rules ins/outs of temping. This is where most of the permanent jobs are acquired. They are trying the merchandise out first. Leave that thirty or forty year employee mentality at your previous job. Employers know they have the upper hand and are also in financial binds. They owe you nothing except a paycheck. Patience is necessary. Put your best foot forward as a temp. They expect change after you are permanent. No it is not guaranteed employment. I was called back several months after leaving due to giving 110%. Remember employers report back to the agency your are representing. Yes, I say representing. This is important to remember because your first assignment may be a test assignment before trusting you with some of their most valued clients. Do not if you can take the lower paying jobs. That is also a test to see if you will take the jobs no one else will. Temping is often your best source. I was surprised of how many jobs and companies existed in my area that I would never been made aware of if I had not temped. If there is a chance of hiring, remember you will be the number one candidate.

3. Self employment where possible. We need to go back to working to the benefit of ourselves whenever possible.

4. I used my state unemployment agency resoures. They contain information on the seeking employment in the current job market.

I wish everyone best. It is a spiral. Employers not hiring due to loss of sales. And the consumer not spending due to loss of or fear of loosing their jobs.

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 2:10 AM EDT
Radio Free America

FYI for the unemployed

http://onejobforamerica.org/splash2.php

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 4:29 AM EDT
Fufu

Jason, if your comment was directed towards me, you can read more about my particular experience with unemployment here.

I am currently working for a federal contractor. I help process background investigations for employees to work on a project that requires a security clearance. It is tedious at times and mostly just pushing paperwork -- no creativity or intellectual capability required or appreciated -- but I am helping people get a job who need a job, so that's something.

Radio Free America, I have been temping for the past year and a half, since I lost my permanent position. I'd rather be a temp than unemployed, but it does come with its own emotional toll.

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 10:31 AM EDT
Radio Free America

Fufu. I temped with my current employer for two years. I had to leave after then with great thanks and appreciation to the Supreme Court's decision that if a person temps for a number of years, they are a regular employee. I could not come back for six months. Things fell apart due to the fact that there was no one doing my temp job. They brought me back permanently. Mind you my job as a temp grew as I would not turn down any extra requests. The extra requests became a position. I hope the same happens to you and everyone looking for permanent employment. Please don't get discouraged. This was not the first temporary position that became permanent for me.

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:43 AM EDT
Jason Burnham

If anybody needs help I'll try to help. Don't like to see anybody suffer.

  • 5 votes
#1.6 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 5:12 PM EDT
Colorado Bubbie

jason, voted up. thats a very kind thing to say.

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:37 PM EDT
Nightbreeeze

Jason has offered such help in the past and is a good guy. Thanks, sir.

  • 2 votes
#1.8 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 12:22 PM EDT
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Many of my co-workers left before me—I was one of the last to be laid off because I was a good worker.

When you ignore the writing on the wall, you have no one to blame but yourself.

We cannot afford for the distractions to continue. Focus: Job Creation.

To which I reply - The Jobs are ALREADY there. Inconvenience is an excuse.

Hear it once, hear it a thousand times - "wah! There's no jobs!" No, there are PLENTY of jobs, they just don't happen to be CONVENIENT to you. Too far to drive, Night shift, odd hours, another city...the excuses pile up.

People these days expect to be GIVEN a job, simply because they showed up. Then, when they ignore the "rats leaving the sinking ship", they want sympathy?

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 3:26 AM EDT
Damon1

tobii,

Were it not for the COH, I would call you a useless @!$%#ing troll who never adds anything of value to any conversation I have ever seen you take part in and then I would tell you to just shut the @!$%# up because you don't know what the @!$%# you're talking about.

But, since it is against the COH, I will refrain from calling you a useless @!$%#ing troll who never adds anything of value to any conversation I have ever seen you take part in and then telling you to shut the @!$%# up because you don't know what the @!$%# you're talking about.

Instead, I'll just tell you that I strongly disagree with your post.

Oh, and A.R. Lawyer, good luck on your job search, I really hope you find something worthy of your credentials.


  • 12 votes
#2.1 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 4:51 AM EDT
tobiii

FACT -

Majority of Americans live within 16 miles of their job - this is called CONVENIENCE.

FACT -

Majority of Americans want "something for nothing" in their Job.

FACT -

Resorting to name calling is called "cowardly equivocation".

FACT -

There ARE jobs out there.

Refusing to accept reality is YOUR problem, NOT mine.

Then again, I've never been unemployed for longer than 3 weeks....in over 4 decades.

Which one of us has the stronger grasp on the Real World? The one who's contributing, or the one name calling on an Internet News Site when they could be looking for a JOB?

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
Ladytny

tobiii

Site your sources please.

Damon, I totally agree with you!!!

  • 7 votes
#2.3 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 8:31 AM EDT
tobiii

1 - it is C-I-T-E when referring to a citation or reference.

2 - within 16 Miles of their job? - HERE and HERE

3 - You've just demonstrated wanting "something for nothing". All the reference material in the world is AT your fingertips, yet you want someone else to do it FOR YOU.

Let me guess, you want me to give you free health care while I'm at it?

  • 2 votes
#2.4 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 10:37 AM EDT
It Aint So

Here..I'll be a source for tobiii...he/she speaks the truth. I've been there myself.

But I'll add another twist.

The majority of people dont network or continuously look for other employment WHILE they are employed, and then when the hammer drops, they have no one to turn to.

I was employed for a company for almost 21 years, and then they "downsized" I was caught up in it. But over the years, while I was still gainfully employed, I looked around, expanded my field of contacts, kept up with those in positions where they could help or influence others as to my worth, and never turned down an opportunity to meet and get to know anyone in my field.

When the axe fell, I had calls within a day, and within two weeks I was back at work, in the same field, drawing two nice paychecks, one for my severance on my old position.

You can never know enough people, and it doesnt hurt to even go on job interviews, even if you have a good job.

You refresh your skills, and find out what people are wanting.

I hate it when good people lose their job. I thought it would never happen to me, after 21 years. but there is life after death.

I've now changed jobs three times in the last 14 years, and upped my salary almost 50%.

You would be surprised whats out there...

  • 4 votes
#2.5 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 10:39 AM EDT
Damon1

3 - You've just demonstrated wanting "something for nothing". All the reference material in the world is AT your fingertips, yet you want someone else to do it FOR YOU.

No, you are wrong as usual, tobiii.

When you make assertions in any debate/argument the burden of proof is on you. Calling for you to back up your claims is not wanting "something for nothing", it is simply asking you, who made the claims, to provide the proof.

When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim.

There, see how that works? I made an assertion and then I validated it with a reliable source to back up said statement.

  • 6 votes
#2.6 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 1:21 PM EDT
arkpdx

Hear it once, hear it a thousand times - "wah! There's no jobs!" No, there are PLENTY of jobs, they just don't happen to be CONVENIENT to you. Too far to drive, Night shift, odd hours, another city...the excuses pile up.

I saw nothing that A. R. said that is anything like what you said. Appearently you have a job and godd for you. For those that are looking for work especially those that are older its not as easy as you make out to be. Many of them were with their previous employer for years and were happy with their jobs and thought they were secure. They are looking for work but are told that they are overqualified or even other excuses that are given that in reallity mean that the employer wants someone younger. there are even places that will not even consider someone that is currently unemployed .Many would take any job that comes their way just to be able to survive. Most are not looking at something for free. they are looking to survive.

I personnally find your attitude very condisending and very disrespectful to those who truly are looking for work in a bad environment. You should be ashamed.

  • 7 votes
#2.7 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 2:24 PM EDT
Joanna Caroll

Were it not for the COH, I would call you a useless @!$%#ing troll who never adds anything of value to any conversation I have ever seen you take part in and then I would tell you to just shut the @!$%# up because you don't know what the @!$%# you're talking about.

Well said but, Damon1, you're right about the CoH. Please direct your disagreement to the worthlessness of tobiii's comments.

  • 3 votes
#2.8 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 3:03 PM EDT
Ladytny

The examples you "CITE" are useless. The second one involves studies mostly concerned with "congested" areas. Not all of America lives in, near or even remotely close to a congested area. The nearest large city for myself is over and hour and 1/2 drive. My drive to work is approximately 28 miles one way. To lump everyone into one category to make yourself seem knowledgeable is pointless. Averages are just that: average.

Yes, there are jobs out there. McDonalds is hiring. Wal-Mart wants you too. However, very few pay a living wage, offer no benefits, and give the fewest hours possible so as to avoid having to call you a "full time" employee.

When you suddenly loose your job and yet still have a mortgage, car payment, children to raise, student loans and all of the other every day living expenses, it is, to say the least, extremely hard to just pack up and go where the jobs are.

As for my healthcare, your assumptions are baseless as you don't know a thing about me. I have spent 23 years in the military and have great healthcare, thank you. And I do pay premiums, co-pays and such so don't start spewing about all of the free stuff the servicemembers get these days either.

In total, your attitude shows just how arrogant and uniformed a certain portion of Americans are.

  • 5 votes
#2.9 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 7:02 AM EDT
tobiii

Well, let's see, judging by the patheticness of some of thes responses, I'll entertain the lackadaisical "woe is me" attitude of those crying about no jobs.

In response to Damon and his name calling - I have better things to do than listen to a crybaby calling me names. I saw the potential for moving up in my employment and I seized it. When all others were looking for other jobs, I didn't hesitate and sit on my ass thinking "oh, it won't happen to me" - I started jockeying for another job as well.

COMPLACENCY is rampant. The disgusting thing is, those people who choose to sit on their ass feel they can JUDGE those of us who worked our asses off, because we showed the DESIRE, EFFORT and MOTIVATION to succeed - by calling us GREEDY? How pathetic is that?

Majority of Americans want "something for nothing" in their Job.

For those of you too ignorant to figure that out - let me point out the OBVIOUS -

HERE

HERE

HERE

Where you can read about the absurdity of Americans -

What else makes this uniquely American is that Americans have come to believe a great many absurd falsehoods thought to be insane just a generation ago. They believe that their labor is inherently more valuable than the labor of anyone else in the world. They believe that whatever they're invested in (their homes, their stocks, their dollars) will go up forever and that they can bank on the expected gains.

And, of course -

Only in America can a politician actually sell the outrageous idea that we'll create abundance by spending more money we don't have.

I can continue down this path embarassing all of you that are whining and complaining, however, Edison said it best -

Being busy does not always mean real work. The object of all work is production or accomplishment and to either of these ends there must be forethought, system, planning, intelligence, and honest purpose, as well as perspiration. Seeming to do is not doing.

  • 1 vote
#2.10 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 7:06 AM EDT
Joanna Caroll

Tobiii, your comments are pathetic. You should work on getting that stick out of your ass.

  • 4 votes
#2.11 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 11:17 AM EDT
tobiii

Pathetic? I'm the one who got off my ass and ACHIEVED something while the rest of you sat there and bitched.

Now, to make yourself feel better, you try to degrade me by saying I have a stick up my ass?

Words don't pay bills, now, do they?

I'll try to keep that thought in mind when I'm at my vacation house.

    #2.12 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 1:11 PM EDT
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    Walter Prout

    I remember a few years ago when it seemed that the Eastern seaboard was hit with the worst winters it had ever encountered and you must remember them stories of people without Heat and Electricity, right ?

    Well, there was this 1 story about Senior citizens as I recalled, that almost FROZE to death because they couldn't afford their heating bills and some of the people who were concerned about them had offered to work for the Power company to pay them senior citizens heating bills.

    Well, it seems to me that we all forgot about BARTERING ! Working to attain services or goods for one's work ! Why does a JOB have to pay anyone in GREENBACKS ?

    With a little creativity, am sure people would figure out that if there are NO jobs, CREATE THEM !

    JOBS should never mean being paid by paper money, Having a JOB just means your working towards paying your bills and putting food on the table for your family, BARTER your way towards a better life, dont sit at home hoping for that Dream Job, It'll never happen and you'll go homeless and hungry !

    • 2 votes
    Reply#3 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 4:00 AM EDT
    Fufu

    Bartering is not a viable method of providing for oneself or one's family. A person needs X number of services and goods including housing, various foods, medical care, schooling for children, vehicle, etc. A person can provide Y services in return. In a modern society, X is always greater than Y.

    I understand the nostalgia of bartering, but it really is not viable.

    • 5 votes
    #3.1 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 10:44 AM EDT
    Walter Prout

    @ Fufu, I understand your viewpoint but........

    What if tomorrow brings change with it that ALL current forms of money are OBSOLETE ?

    People are going to wake up and ask themselves " What do we do NOW ? " !

    People are so use to dealing with everything in their lives in DOLLARS or YEN or RUBLES ! What would happen if at the stroke of midnight, there is NO more money ?

    If you hadn't thought of the Alternatives, your going to be left behind and your way of life is going to mean nothing.

      #3.2 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 2:05 PM EDT
      Fufu

      What if tomorrow brings a change where every person simply has to wish for what he or she wants and it appears?

      Ideologically, bartering is as valid as any economic system. Realistically it is not applicable to a modern society. If modern society collapses and bartering is viable again, then we've got some pretty serious issues to deal with.

      Either way, you have an IOU in your wallet. It's either a dollar or a contract promising service. It's still an IOU.

      • 4 votes
      #3.3 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 3:12 PM EDT
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      "He's obviously fresh out of high school, but he beat you out."

      Modern technology has replaced jobs today. I remember when a clerk checking out groceries had to key in the price of each item. It at least required some skill - accuracy, speed, focus and the ability to count change. Today that same jobs requires no more than moving the item across a scanner and doling out the amount of change the register tell you to. Some stores even have self check outs. Machinery is replacing your jobs. There was a time when kids were lucky to find a job washing dishes. Look around today and high school kids make up a significant percent of the employees in those businesses. When a job requires no skill or education because a machine is doing the work, can a person really say they are working harder today and deserving more. Look at any job as far back as 25-30 years ago and see the difference between then and now.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#7 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 10:06 AM EDT
      Wheel

      Very accurate depiction of the desperation of too many people in the US today. Let me add one more layer, suppose you're also 60 or over...believe me. It makes a difference, age discrimination sucks as bad as any other type of discrimination.

      • 7 votes
      Reply#8 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 10:50 AM EDT
      Fufu

      The federal contractor that I work for has hired about 200 people in the past month, about 90% of whom are over the age of 55. Many should absolutely be retired, including some who are over 70, but can't afford to.

      • 6 votes
      #8.1 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 12:20 PM EDT
      Radio Free America

      I hope you end up being one. No the baby boomers are not going to retire as early as their parents. I am one nearing that age. I have no intentions of retiring. I may end up working for myself as many baby boomers began business shortly before retirement. No going to Florida The retirement age of 65 was created when Americans did not live much past or to 65. The government often picks up the slack left by the private sector. I see it is doing so with those over 55. The private sector is hurting with the loss of the this knowledge and experience. It is contributing to the downward spiral and increase in product quality issues.

      • 5 votes
      #8.2 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 1:19 PM EDT
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      yeagerdog

      Wheel;

      I agree with you that age makes a big difference. I myself can easily pass for at least twenty years less than my actual age, but it makes no difference, when they see my birthdate I always get the response that says "not at this time".

      I feel that the only thing that should be required relating to one's age is "are you at least 18 years of age" and leave it at that. If this is done, we can at least have a shot at it in an interveiw.

      Outside of that, we must understand that it is a rare event when someone is perfectly qualified.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#9 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 12:33 PM EDT
      Wheel

      I myself can easily pass for at least twenty years less than my actual age,

      I wish I could do that. I'm a construction worker, I've spent years (decades) working outdoors in all kinds of weather I look weatherbeaten. I can still work but I look like a fellow who's spent years outdoors working. With millions of young people out of work it's tough to compete for what few jobs there are.

      • 1 vote
      #9.1 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 1:37 PM EDT
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      Joanna Caroll

      At the Table with A.R. Lawyer, your article sums up the experiences of 20,000,000 people.

      The critics of this article are dolts. Who other than a fool thinks the economy is fine and 20,000,000 people are waiting for a job within 16 miles of work, lol!?

      • 3 votes
      Reply#10 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 3:30 PM EDT
      TNTalk

      In this nation, multitudes of employers mistakenly believe that your job is your career. They are looking for a yes man. They want to own you. It is hard to pull this farce over on a forty-five year old (or older) on a job that can only be considered as underemployment, a makeshift job at best. Therein lies the problem. The desperation in this nation is only beginning...

        Reply#11 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 8:37 AM EDT
        WILDWONDERFUL

        This is a well written article and I appreciate the fact you do not make outrageous rants blaming others for your situation. The sad thing is this is a very complicated issue and will not possibly be solved in the baby boomer generation. Changing technology for example has eliminated millions of jobs that many people were very well paid and gainfully employed. We are in a global marketplace so now we must compete with the world. Jobs have been shipped overseas because in order for companies to survive they had very little choice. After World War 2 much of the world had been ravaged and the United States was left in the catbird seat. Whatever we made the world pretty much bought it on our terms. With very little competition we could prosper without much struggle. This has radically changed .

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